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into the otherworldly Universe of UFOs

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in the four-hour meeting the panelists commissioned
in June of 2022 analyzed and spoke about the

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more than 800 cases of uaps they're looking
into their main findings the need to stop

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making fun of UFO research and more importantly
to start collecting better data on the far

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out subject without sufficient data we are
unable to reach defendable conclusions that

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meet the high scientific standards we set
for resolution over the last year the panel

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has worked to create a road map for NASA to
better evaluate and categorize the growing

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number of what they are now calling unidentified
anomalous phenomena saying that while most

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sightings can be explained up to five percent
of cases remain a mystery within the last

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year Congress has held two hearings on UFOs
and separate from NASA the Pentagon has created

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a department the all-domain anomaly resolution
office to study unexplained sightings this

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is a newly released video you'll notice there
are two dots moving back and forth and even

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with a growing focus on the unknown NASA cautions
there's no guarantee that all sightings will

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thank you

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oh hello sorry I uh the music was a little
delayed so I was still dancing hello welcome

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to somewhere in the live stream I am your
host Ryan Sprague and hello to all our regulars

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in the chat tonight Suzanne is here Bill dalen
alien girl is here who you're gonna hear from

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a little bit later uh Jeff honky one of our
YouTube members is here I know it's Monday

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morning when the live stream kicks on Jeff
yup it's got to be Monday for you Andrew's

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here fusy electron I'm just gonna go down
and say hello to all you guys because you

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have been nothing but supportive from the
very beginning so hello to escape VFX Lucy

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Bill alien girl Ian Smith Robert Zimmer Bill
Barclay Robert traffey Andrew D Mitchell uh

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James Craig with the Super Chat already thank
you so much buddy the alien Believers have

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wanted disclosure from the government they're
going Apollo um epileptic because they are

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aren't getting it we're going to talk all
about the NASA thing tonight James so stay

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tuned buddy and thank you thank you as always
for the Super Chat Super Chat is open guys

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uh whomever getting hello Devin really enjoying
this thank you Devin J Ellen Heineken is here

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as always Joe is here anti-citizen is here
my first live stream welcome welcome to our

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crazy Sunday live streams we do here where
we talk all the latest UFO news um I think

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you're gonna like this Suzanne is here as
always who I had the immense pleasure of meeting

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a couple weeks ago here in Scotland um her
and her husband two of the sweetest nicest

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people I've ever met and they've just been
gallivanting all across Europe so sending

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my best to both of them for sure um let's
see here anti-tire uh try hard hey Ryan warm

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greetings from Germany Patrick B welcome Patrick
welcome welcome all right guys I can't do

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that all night we got to get to the UFO news
and we are going to be talking about the NASA

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UAP panel I promise but I've got a couple
stories for you before then um which I think

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are really have a lot to do with this actually
tie into it a lot and and yeah we're just

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gonna pull on all those threads of all these
stories tonight but before we do anything

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I gotta share this t-shirt that I recently
got what you think of that guys that is my

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call out to both NASA and Nessie being a Scotland
resident right now I thought you guys would

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really enjoy that so um there you go that's
my official um endorsement of not NASA but

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Nessie tonight so so there it is there it
is um okay let's start with our first story

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for tonight and this is a pretty cool one
um let's pull up as usual our slideshow here

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we go guys here we go as the U.S government
expands UFO investigations new group forms

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for pilots who spot them the Americans for
safe Aerospace um we talked about this maybe

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a few weeks ago um but there's been some updates
and the group has officially started um if

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they haven't started they're starting this
Thursday I think but um two members two new

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members just joined you see them on the screen
there miss Alex Dietrich and David fravor

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the now famous pilots Navy uh Navy what do
they call them Naval aviators who actually

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chase the Tic Tac and I had the immense pleasure
of them modeling my Tic Tac attack t-shirts

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um I I'm still stunned that they did that
um I I sent them off to them and they wore

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them and sent me these photos and I could
not be more appreciative of that um so yeah

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these guys are now work talking with Ryan
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so I'm going to go ahead and play a quick
uh yeah Quick Clip here um from an interview

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that Ryan Graves gave recently um over at
news nation and then we'll talk a little bit

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about this story on the other side one of
the things that we're going to be pushing

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forward American for safe Aerospace the non-profit
that I recently started is to encourage and

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enable that reporting on the on the civilian
Aviation side we want to support not only

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those those pilots and those those air crew
but all the aviation workers that are being

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impacted by this Congress just held its first
Hearing in more than 50 years on they call

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them uaps the Pentagon has set up a team to
study all of this the White House has asked

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for intelligence briefing on this why are
we seeing such widespread interest official

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interest in UFOs or uaps as they're now officially
called why are we seeing this now

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that's a great question I don't think there
is one answer and I certainly don't have the

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definitive one but what we are seeing is just
a Groundswell of interest in this topic the

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populace seems interested in it it's being
engaged by technical experts across industry

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and Academia and all that combined is just
amplifying uh the message and and what's really

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out there and people are fascinated by this
topic across all levels across the world and

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across technical backgrounds as well but is
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feeling less embarrassed I can only use that
word because you said that there was some

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sort of people were initially embarrassed
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they would be mocked more and more pilots
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and report what they saw absolutely we're
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forward both on the military as well as the
commercial side that are volunteering to put

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their name behind this because they either
have personal experiences themselves or they're

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very close to someone that has had experiences
yeah there it is guys Ryan Graves has officially

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started his new group Americans for safe Aerospace
let me go ahead and read a little bit of this

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story uh Ryan Graves has started a first of
its kind non-profit group to support other

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pilots who see things they can't explain airline
passengers are encouraged to report suspicious

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activity in the name of National Security
but the pilots on those same planes often

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face professional stigma in institutional
obstacles and Reporting unexplained aerial

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phenomena or uaps that could represent National
Security threats in the age of drones and

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spy balloons for instance the Federal Aviation
Administration has no mechanism for Pilots

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to report uaps the term preferred to UFOs
instead directing them to civilian UFO groups

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that are often dismissed as the domain of
cranks and conspiracy theorists Americans

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for safe Aerospace which is officially launching
Thursday as the first pilot-led advocacy organization

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dedicated to uaps seeks to change that the
group wants to push for policy changes like

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better reporting mechanisms serve as a hub
for pilot whistleblowers and advocate for

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more Disclosure by the military and other
government agencies five other former military

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aviators in addition to a commercial pilot
and flight instructor have joined the group's

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air crew Council including who you see on
the screen there Alex Dietrich and David fravor

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and its Advisory Board includes prominent
civilian researchers like Harvard astronomer

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Avi Loeb what is an avilope involved with
I swear to God um politicos like Susan McHugh

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the longtime Chief of Staff to the late Senate
Democratic leader Harry Reid astronaut Terry

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verts the former commander of the International
Space Station and a former head of the National

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Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration retired
Navy rear Admiral Tim guladet so there we

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go guys it's officially starting um I can't
wait to see what these guys do finally finally

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we have a place where civilian and commercial
pilots can go to report these things I can't

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tell you how many flights I've been on where
I've been like so eager to ask the pilots

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like have you ever seen a UFO like did you
report it um I did talk to One Pilot once

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when I was at Disneyland actually um who who
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UFO he had seen but I asked him you know straight
up like was there somewhere to report it did

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you report it and you said no I just didn't
say anything so now it's groups like this

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where Pilots can go to do this and it's all
for safety um which is awesome so I'm wishing

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them all the best with this endeavor um it's
just one more strive for legitimacy in the

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UFO World um and for for air safety to be
completely honest um so yeah what do you guys

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think I'm gonna go up in the chat here for
just a few moments see whatever one is saying

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here

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about it so much he went bald all that stuff
don't say that don't say that I would be too

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if I was a fighter pilot doing what he did
oh man crazy crazy crazy Susan says ASA is

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a great development agreed agreed Lucy X3
we have been waiting for this for a long time

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Pilots advocating for the investigation and
implementation of better UAP reporting agreed

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this has been a long time coming everyone
says those t-shirts are sick thanks Neil you

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can get them in the shop right now Link in
the show notes Link in the show notes guys

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super chats all of the money spent in our
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and to get better equipment please let me
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or anything like that I've been having some
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have to buy a new microphone so let me know
in the chat hello to Jazz Shaw I'm always

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late never late man it's never too late it's
never too late for now sorry I've been watching

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30 Rock lately I hope some of you get that
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also drinking a coffee Stout tonight need
some caffeine need some caffeine for tonight

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we're going to be talking all positives tonight
guys I was a little little um if you couldn't

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tell last week I was traveling so it was a
pre-recorded live stream if that was even

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a thing um and had some negative things to
say um but I'm coming back strong and positive

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this week so um yeah positive Ryan optimistic
Ryan is back and that's because we got a lot

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to talk about and I'm a lot more optimistic
than I think some of you in the chat about

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the big story we're going to be talking about
with NASA so um yeah yeah we'll we'll get

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to it we'll get to it let's see here just
checking the chat one more time before we

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move on all right James says sound is good
thank you James I appreciate it buddy let's

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move on to our next news story there he is
guys avilo making headlines yet again um and

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for very very core reasons investigation and
tracking of UAP explored in new Publications

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by Harvard team the Galileo project just had
several papers published and peer-reviewed

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they're going to be published in an upcoming
uh science journal which is so cool this story

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comes to us from Micah Hanks over at the debrief
so let me go ahead and read this um and I

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apologize for doing a lot of reading tonight
I want to I want to get more accurate with

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these things guys um so forgive me I'm a slave
to a script but I want you to hear this um

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you know exactly I was as it was intended
by the news outlets so again this comes from

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us over at the debrief a series of new scientific
papers detailing methods of detection and

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investigation into UAP has been published
by a team of Harvard researchers the peer-reviewed

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papers were the first published offerings
by the Galileo project an effort headed by

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Harvard professor of science Avi lope that
is searching for evidence of ET Technologies

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the seven seven guys that's amazing the seven
scientific papers were accepted for publication

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in an upcoming special issue of the Journal
of astronomical instrumentation

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ranging from the detection and tracking of
UAP through computation in satellite imagery

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to plans involving the use of multimodal ground-based
observ observatories to Aid in UAP detection

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the papers Encompass the wide range of subject
areas involved in the work from new detection

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methodologies to novel instrumentation development
targeting UAP to theoretical considerations

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concerning a mission to Interstate intercept
Interstellar objects of Unknown Origin following

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the submission of the new papers earlier this
year the Galileo project says it is developed

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an array of sensors and other equipment that
is that it has tested and calibrated for use

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in its ongoing efforts to collect data on
UAP so that's a really cool development the

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instrumentation is in testing mode already
so so cool several project members including

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Dr Loeb are also preparing for an expedition
this summer to Papua New Guinea that will

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attempt to locate and retrieve an Interstellar
meteor that fell into the ocean near Manus

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Island in 2014. ah God I want to be on that
expedition lope says that while the publication

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of the team's first batch of papers is a significant
Milestone the Galileo project efforts are

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really just beginning in that future discoveries
they are now equipped to make could yield

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promising new insights into the mysterious
nature of UAP the entire series of papers

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have been made freely available online at
the Galileo Project's website and will appear

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in a forthcoming edition of the Journal of
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um so I'm gonna go ahead guys and play there's
kind of a clip that goes along with this that

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um that that Avi recently did um over at the
hill actually so over at the hill he reiterates

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um the work with the Galileo project and what
sets it apart from NASA and arrow with their

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study so I'm going to go ahead and play that
for you right now and uh yeah we'll move on

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I would say this is absolutely information
of public interest and there's consequences

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to having so much of this data classified
would you rather the data that NASA has be

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available to be used by all scientists is
there a process for getting access to that

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data as a researcher we will make the data
open to the public and other scientists whatever

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we collect will be transparent available the
analysis will be following the scientific

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method we have full control over our instruments
we calibrate them so everything will be open

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um the government is not an open organization
it's not a scientific organization they are

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focused primarily on National Security matters
and it makes sense for them to hide data because

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they don't want to expose the capabilities
of the sensors being used to adversaries so

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for national security purposes obviously we
want to know if there are any spy balloons

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and as you know a few months ago four such
objects were shut down by the U.S government

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as far as I'm concerned as a scientist I'm
not interested in any human-made object so

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if the government shoots down balloons that's
good news because it reduces the clutter in

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the sky and the noise from human-made objects
I want to figure out if there is anything

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extraterrestrial and I think it's the duty
of scientists to figure out the nature of

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these objects and you know we should be agnostic
if there are human made or natural so be it

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but if there are extraterrestrial it would
change the future of humanity

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ah I could listen to him forever God so awesome
Galileo project is up and running they're

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getting peer-reviewed papers published in
journals we're we're in a good spot guys I

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said back in late 2022 and early this year
that this would be the year of science with

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UFOs um because you know I and many others
foresaw a lot of this stuff happening the

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NASA thing the the Galileo project um you
know you've got Sky 360 a group we talked

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about recently a couple live streams ago who
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with the Galileo project is doing but from
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sort of way and approach um so yeah this is
the year of science when it comes to UFOs

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uaps and while we might not unravel the huge
mystery and solve every UFO case uh we'll

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be able to solve some no matter what they
turn out to be be and and that's exciting

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so again I thought this was so cool that these
papers got published and um that Avi lobe

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uh is still going at it and still going strong
he has a new book coming out I believe later

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this uh fall called Interstellar so I can't
wait to read that we'll have to have him back

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on to talk all about that I I have to say
this and I'm very proud of this I was one

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of the first podcasts to interview Avi lope
when his first book extraterrestrial came

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out in this space of like UFOs and and stuff
like that I know we've done other other interviews

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with like NASA and astronomy podcast but um
yeah I was the first CFO podcast to to nail

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and interview with him and it was amazing
um so yeah I will always have them on I will

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always invite him on to talk forever about
this um his his like metaphors and analogies

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just blow me away I love it he's like a kid
his curiosity is so childlike his wonder and

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that's what we need we need that we need dreamers
there's enough realists out there we need

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some dreamers too and he's one of them um
let's see here Jazz says science journals

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are more willing to publish these things now
that they know they won't be mocked and that

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it draws a lot of eyeballs such a good point
Jazz um the stigma is shedding and you know

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I remember in my original interview with Abby
he even said like we need people like what

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I'm doing to kind of step on the landmines
so that the next people can come in and have

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an easier time out there in the fields and
um and and he was right and we are seeing

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that strip away we're seeing more scientists
getting involved look at how big the the group

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at the Galileo project is people are like
clamoring to get involved with this thing

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when like 20 years ago no one would touch
this crap with a 10-foot pole so I think it's

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so cool so so so cool

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um alien girl says so close to 50 thumbs up
yeah guys like the video if you can like And

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subscribe really do appreciate that it really
does help and boost us up so alien girl thank

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you thank you for being here tonight I truly
appreciate it

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yo what's up welcome welcome Nisa is here
welcome guys Rey is here Martin is here hello

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to everyone um let's see Jay Allen Heineken
oh nice he's writing a book about the movie

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Interstellar maybe I don't know I I somehow
doubt that I think there might be some copyrights

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unless it's like a making of but uh I I don't
see that happening Jay Allen Heineken I don't

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see that happening um let's see here love
my Sunday night fix says see about I really

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do appreciate that

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and Jordy first time be gentle we will I promise
I promise we're very gentle here at somewhere

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in the live stream welcome thank you so much
for being here I really do appreciate it Jeff

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says AVI has done an amazing job of bringing
academics into this space he really has yeah

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we have him to thank for a lot mostly space
says Avi efforts are unprecedented kind of

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odd that he insists that object's moving at
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if they don't it's to be dismissed yeah you
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theories on a lot of this stuff and a lot
of other scientists don't agree with him but

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um that's what it's about debate debate and
coming to some conclusions um okay in terms

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of um coming to conclusions this is probably
gonna be the the most negative story we're

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going to cover tonight guys and I do apologize
but we gotta we gotta do it could Jeremy corbell's

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UFO image leaks be classified so this story
comes to us from John Greenwald over at The

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Black Vault and if any of you follow UFO Twitter
you know that um John Greenwald and Corbell

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and George Knapp don't necessarily see eye
to eye on a lot of this stuff um so make of

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that what you will uh but I do have to bring
up this story because it does pose some major

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issues moving forward when it comes to transparency
so I'm going to go ahead and read this and

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I apologize in advance if it's a little wordy
but I want to make sure I get to everything

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so John says over at The Black Vault the Pentagon
has maintained its silence on the leaked image

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of the so-called muscle orb which you see
there on the left I believe your left um depicting

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an alleged UAP scene over an active conflict
Zone in Iraq back in 2016. the case has been

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left unaddressed and unconfirmed by the dod
since the image and case details first appeared

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online in January 2023. despite the significant
public interest uip had generated and the

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fact that the Pentagon has previously offered
commentary on past leaks related to the same

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the Pentagon would only say that quote we're
not going to comment on remarks by unnamed

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sources alleging leaks from a classified report
classified report in a comment on remark in

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a statement received about the maso ore by
the black fold the muscle orb obtained and

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released by investigative journalist Jeremy
Corbell and George Knapp shows what has been

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alleged as a UAP captured by an mc-12 medium
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over masuo Iraq on April April 16 2016. however
a new response to a foia request filed by

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the black fault May indicate the classified
and sensitive nature of the mosso orb case

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which sheds light on why the Pentagon refused
to comment the dod States in an foia denial

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letter received by The Black Vault that information
relating to the case is quote classified and

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it also relates to an ongoing quote law enforcement
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that's interesting so the refusal was justified
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ones related to National Security intelligence
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among others another leak published by corbella
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that's the black and white image you see there
um let's see here may also encroach into classified

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territory although foia requests are still
outstanding about this specific case the footage

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originally shot of a cylindrical shaped UAP
by an MQ-9 Reaper drone and according to the

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air compact command when speaking to The Black
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is inherently classified

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foreign the use of exemptions by the dod in
response to foia requests for records related

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to the mosso orb highlights the dod's growing
concern when it comes to their involvement

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in UAP related matters now this is why I'm
really bringing this up so let's pay attention

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here um on UAP related matters the exemptions
Point towards an ongoing law enforcement investigation

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and reveal an intent to protect the techniques
used in such investigations is this in relation

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to the leak of material relating to this case
does that indicate that investigations are

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ongoing or is this a broad stroke attempt
to exempt all information relating to UAP

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and or Arrow essentially thwarting any effort
to get this type of related information via

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the foia that is yet to be seen however too
related in subject matter request denials

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from the dod came within 60 seconds of the
muscle orb denial which may further shed light

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on the tactics now employed by the dod to
withhold all UAP related documentation and

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arrow related material ah boy despite the
pentagon's silence on the maso orb case and

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the UAP issue as a whole the Quest for transparency
in UAP investigation Remains the conversation

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is far from over as the black fault continues
to probe the question the nature to question

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the nature of these unexplained phenomena
and the role of our government in investigating

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and communicating about them it remains to
be seen how this Saga will unfold but one

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thing is clear the call for transparency will
continue to grow louder or at least it should

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so a lot to unpack with that guys and thank
you for bearing with me through all of that

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um James Craig says in this this is why I
got to bring this up uh oh I think corbel

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and nap are in trouble so

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if these images or screenshots are classified
then that is a major issue even if they were

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leaked um you know Corbell said that these
things weren't looked at by Arrow um but we

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now know they are and they were Kirkpatrick
showed the muscle orb at um you know the Senate

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UAP hearing I believe it was uh so we know
they were um so are they breaking any laws

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are they breaking any quote unquote rules
um I hope not I I certainly hope not the last

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thing we want is for anyone to get in trouble
for this stuff um but the question has to

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be asked you know the title right there could
Jeremy corbell's UFO image leaks be classified

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and if they are this is going to lead to more
over classification of any images of anything

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to do with UFOs of any findings that we're
gonna get from arrows report moving forward

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or possibly even NASA's report so you know
this is this is a weird place to be in because

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I I think it's good that we're getting stuff
you know what corbel and nap are doing um

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gets us talking gets more UFO cases out there
uh but at the same time with them doing this

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it could lead to the government putting a
stamp down and over classifying classification

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of any UAP related materials so I don't know
I I don't know what to make of this it's frustrating

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um I did reach out to John Greenwald about
this and everyone's like oh he just wants

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to get those guys in trouble that's not true
he doesn't want to get them in trouble but

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he's you know John's life has been spent foia
in these things and doing it the right way

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and trying to get the information um and now
his efforts are kind of being thwarted by

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releases like this uh because we're not going
to get any of this stuff you know through

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foia if they keep uh just classifying everything
um so yeah yeah really weird thing um who

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knows what's gonna happen with all of it but
apparently the maso orb is classified so we

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shouldn't be seeing this image we shouldn't
be seeing the the videos uh so yeah yeah interesting

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to say the least what do you guys have to
say I'm going to go back and up in the chat

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here Christian says Greenwald grinds my gears
sometimes I know he does a lot of people but

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hey these questions have to be asked they
they most certainly have to be asked um let

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me see here we need both the paper document
jockeys as well as the video hounds we gotta

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do this together Ray I couldn't agree more
man you know with Jeremy Corbell and George

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Knapp's recent thing the 29 Palms whatever
flares um you know they they were arguing

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I guess back and forth with Mick West and
John Greenwald and I just saw I all I could

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say is guys just work together please just
work together on this stuff please for the

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love of God

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um all right let's see here

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Isaiah says Ryan it's not illegal or immoral
for journalists to obtain and publish classified

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information

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um I don't think that's true I I don't think
what you said is entirely accurate um but

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if I am wrong I do apologize but I don't think
it's true that um it's not illegal to to publish

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classified information that does not sound
right to me at all

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Jess Shaw says corbella nap aren't in trouble
if anyone is it's the people who gave them

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the classified material if it's indeed classified
journalists can publish what they get okay

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okay then maybe maybe you're right Isaiah
I apologize um if that's the case then it's

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the people who gave it to the journalists
who would get in trouble for it so fair enough

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I stay corrected cheers to you Isaiah and
to Jazz

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that's good uh so yeah that's that's kind
of the the negative story for tonight um unfortunately

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but it had to be done just had to be done
um let's move to our next story we're almost

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there guys we're almost to NASA the NASA panel
got a lot to say about that but let's go to

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this story Christopher melon goes all in on
UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering

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programs so Christopher Millen the former
deputy assistant secretary of defense for

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intelligence who specializes in UFO investigation
now uh wrote in a political opinion Politico

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opinion piece published Saturday that he has
received reports that the government has engaged

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in a quote reverse engineering project involving
UFOs he urged the government to make any records

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public melon wrote that he has referred four
witnesses to Arrow who claim to have knowledge

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about a secret government program involving
the analysis and exploitation of materials

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recovered from off-world vehicles and that
other sources have contacted him about an

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alleged secret U.S government reverse engineering
program

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yeah he gave a number of reasons why he believed
any information about those alleged projects

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should be made public Moen said the American
public have a right to know the truth about

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whether the government has reverse engineered
UFO projects and that people can handle any

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information about ET craft disclosure of such
information could also help global leaders

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develop an effective deterrent against an
attack noting that there are no signals of

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aggression melon also explains several scientific
benefits to disclosing any information he

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would say in his opinion piece quote if we
have recovered off-world Technologies our

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best and brightest Minds should be engaged
in evaluating it assuming UAP propulsion technology

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is distinct from anything known to the public
a successful reverse engineering program might

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bring about a revolution in energy transportation
and materials Technologies we might be able

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to accelerate a transition to clean and cheap
energy perhaps even develop superconducting

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materials and propulsion technologies that
are now the stuff of Hollywood movies he's

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going all in guys opinion peace and Politico
man like wow

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I I don't know I don't know what to say but
there it is there it is right there um he

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is really going out in a limb saying all that
so so yeah what do you guys make of that what

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do you make of this story I'm interested to
know what you think and he says Chris melon

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is cool Joseph says melon is government yep
they will always have that hello to pixie

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welcome as always to one of our amazing supporters
here Ryan Baker hello Ryan here is always

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God I immediately get I admittedly get so
tired and frustrated with the whole crash

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retrieval reverse engineering brouhaha just
tell us the truth already please I get your

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frustration man but hey maybe having this
this piece in Politico will push more of these

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whistleblowers to come forward um we can only
hope we can only only hope

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let's see Suzanne says quote a journalist
can't be punished for publishing info that

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was obtained illegally as long as the journalist
didn't do anything illegal the government

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has never prosecuted a journalist there we
go thank you Susan I'm gonna take your word

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for it um and Isaiah and Jazz so there we
go metal Hendrix is in the house hello hello

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Neil says we got microchips from Roswell and
velcro and fiber optics I think that's what

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I heard fiber optics microchips lasers all
that good stuff

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Christian says I really think melon is spot
on we got some melon fans dalen says waiting

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for the word Skunk Works before I pull my
stack uh

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all right all right guys we have made it we
have made it to the real reason you're all

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here tonight and that is the NASA panel so
um what I'm gonna do is take a very quick

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break here um play a commercial or two for
you guys and we're gonna come back on the

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other side and really really dive deep into
the NASA panel that took place recently and

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um I've got a lot to say about it uh we have
a bunch of other UFO researchers and people

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from UFO Twitter who submitted some videos
for us and they have a lot to say about it

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as well so we will get to those towards the
end but yeah let's take a quick break and

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we'll come back on the other side and really
dive into this it's going to be a lot of fun

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and and and everything in between so stick
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welcome back guys to somewhere in the live
stream here at somewhere in the skies and

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we just covered a ton of UFO news but this
is the big big headline maker of the week

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and that was the NASA panel that took place
a national panel created last year to study

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UFOs held its first public meeting Wednesday
and spoke about the more than 800 cases of

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UAP that they're investigating um so yeah
here it is NASA study team on UAP calls for

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00:44:17,010 --> 00:44:24,750
better data ending harassment and stigmas
so there's a lot to talk about guys um the

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first thing I kind of want to bring up with
this thing was um this guy Joshua semeter

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he's a director for the center for space physics
at Boston University and um this was pretty

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00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:44,900
random but he actually brought up the go fast
video one of the videos we've been looking

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00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:51,230
at for God God knows how long now since the
New York Times article came out and he believes

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that he found an answer for it or at least
found more data to come to a possible conclusion

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for it so I have the clip here from this NASA
panel um from from him and what he had to

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say about go fast so let's talk about that
first I'm going to play this clip and we'll

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talk about it on the other side what you guys
thought about this clip um next build

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just hit space

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00:45:21,619 --> 00:45:27,859
yeah okay so this is um this video was recorded
by um Pilots deployed from the aircraft carrier

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USS Theodore Roosevelt in 2015. the example
has been given the nickname go fast because

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it gives an impression of an object moving
very rapidly against the ocean surface and

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uh you know the question is is this impression
correct and you know if not what can we say

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quantitatively about what that object is doing
in uh kind of earth-centered coordinate system

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00:45:48,809 --> 00:45:54,600
um fortunately the information needed to determine
the altitude and velocity of this object is

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contained on the display so go ahead and next
and uh this includes the elevation angle of

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the camera the Azimuth angle of the camera
the target range in nautical miles aircraft

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00:46:10,750 --> 00:46:17,349
altitude the time reference in seconds indicated
air speed and Knots you know this information

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00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:24,869
in this video in particular has been discussed
quite a bit on the on the web so let's begin

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with the object altitude next please

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00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:35,569
so knowing the Jet's altitude and the bearing
to the Target we can apply basic trigonometry

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00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:41,990
to figure out where that object is in altitude
space and it's turns out to be you know provided

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the range information is accurate which can
have some uncertainties associated with it

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00:46:47,170 --> 00:46:54,069
but the object appears to be at about 13 000
feet an important aspect of this here is that

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00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:59,890
it's sort of midway between the the jet and
the ocean so it's the ocean that looks like

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00:46:59,890 --> 00:47:06,339
it's right behind it is actually 4.2 miles
away and this is our first indication that

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some or most of the motion that we observe
the apparent motion of the object is in fact

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due to the rapid motion of the sensing platform
which is about 430 miles per hour in this

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case uh but we don't have to guess about this
so we have enough information on this display

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to actually reconstruct um the encounter go
to the next slide please and uh so this is

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what this is this is using additional information
on the screen including the time axis and

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um so we know that this aircraft is banking
about 15 degrees left and you can compute

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through a simple calculator the radius approximate
radius of curvature of the flight and you

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the bottom line is I won't go into detail
here but if you can get the bearing and range

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to the Target at two locations with known
separation in time you can figure out how

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far it moved and in this case this object
moved about 390 meters um in 22 seconds and

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00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:12,520
that corresponds to a velocity of just 40
miles per hour and so that's a velocity it's

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00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,750
consistent with wind speeds at 13 000 feet
so it's not our task to conjecture what this

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00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:23,079
object is um but it's an example that illustrates
the type of data needed to determine critical

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00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:29,369
parameters that will help us identify sub-job
objects going forward in addition to the importance

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00:48:29,369 --> 00:48:33,390
of quantitative analysis this example also
serves to illustrate the kind of cognitive

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00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:41,580
bias we have to contend with for uaps recorded
from unfamiliar perspectives and uh Sean Kirkpatrick

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00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:49,460
showed another example of that this is um
this is a parallax effect case foreign thank

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00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:53,210
you

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00:48:53,210 --> 00:49:04,000
all right guys so the go fast is go slow I
guess is the joke everyone's making um 40

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00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:10,839
miles per hour wow I mean hey if the math
is right and that's the velocity speed it

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00:49:10,839 --> 00:49:19,359
was going um in relationship at the time then
wow um that that could mean several things

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00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:25,900
uh to me it sounds like if this is true that
it was going with the wind and that would

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00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:30,790
be around 40 miles per hour as well so could
it have been some sort of balloon um it's

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00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:35,780
possible now that we know it was only going
40 miles per hour um anything's possible I'm

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00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:41,320
not saying it was a balloon I'm just saying
that is now back on the table um I actually

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00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:50,359
reached out to Mick West um to get his thoughts
on this NASA panel and he did want to um to

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00:49:50,359 --> 00:49:55,280
tell you guys a few things he was going to
send in a video but he didn't have time but

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00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:02,140
uh this is what he had to say about the NASA
panel he said there's a lot of talk mostly

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00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:09,070
about getting calibrated data and being NASA
um I was surprised that Sean Kirkpatrick made

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00:50:09,070 --> 00:50:14,609
that mistake about the Stars which were obviously
not stars and then only half backtracked on

461
00:50:14,609 --> 00:50:19,440
it later he's referring to another video that
they showed of something they were able to

462
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:27,070
explain which were planes um he also said
mikwa said it was fun seeing my go fast analysis

463
00:50:27,070 --> 00:50:34,059
from 2018 being repeated as science but it's
a little out of date um the interesting stuff

464
00:50:34,059 --> 00:50:38,790
is probably going to be in the next Arrow
report when they will share more solved or

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00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:46,130
at least analyzed cases so yeah yeah mix right
this was kind of just like showing the methodologies

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00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:53,799
they're using and um you know what they you
know kind of the call for destigmatizing things

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00:50:53,799 --> 00:51:00,390
and and that they need more data to make conclusions
you know this this seminar guy he he came

468
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:05,740
to this conclusion on the go fast but even
he says like it we lack sufficient data to

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00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:11,650
truly identify the object so so yeah I thought
that was an interesting clip I was not expecting

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00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:18,599
to see the go fast video at this thing so
yeah yeah interesting to say the least let's

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00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:25,170
see what you guys are saying this is excellent
work Charles says what about the Tic Tac Christian

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00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:32,060
says yeah what about the Tic Tac I wonder
if they're looking at that one too still a

473
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:40,020
weird looking video says Zach I agree I agree

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00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:44,630
um mostly space says the IR display would
go fast shows the object as being colder than

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00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:51,670
its surroundings though which rules out a
bird yeah maybe a balloon yeah

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00:51:51,670 --> 00:52:02,010
Neo swamp gas travels at 40 miles per hour
just call it go 40. love it love it

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00:52:02,010 --> 00:52:07,950
speed has nothing to do with what it actually
is I understand that like it doesn't mean

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00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:13,340
it's a Balloon by any stretch of the imagination
but um you know we were kind of led to believe

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00:52:13,340 --> 00:52:17,450
this thing was moving extremely fast for the
past few years whether that's according to

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00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:23,339
witness testimony or or what um but now we're
learning through science through what NASA

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00:52:23,339 --> 00:52:28,880
is doing that it possibly and what Mick West
did uh that it's possibly 40 miles per hour

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00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:37,460
so interesting to say the least Kyle says
who says aliens can't go slow very true very

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00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:45,200
very true um so the next clip I'm going to
play for you guys uh and the these next two

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00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:51,240
clips came from q and A's actually so we're
not going to go over the entire four hour

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00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:57,819
event if you want to do that um you can watch
the entire four hour NASA panel right here

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00:52:57,819 --> 00:53:04,390
on this channel on the somewhere in the skies
Channel um just a couple videos back I did

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00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:09,640
broadcast the entire four hours uh for you
to watch if you want to do that but what I'm

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00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:16,369
going to show next was um the public was able
to submit questions to the NASA panel and

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00:53:16,369 --> 00:53:20,350
what they did is they kind of um there were
so many questions that they tried to group

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00:53:20,350 --> 00:53:27,530
them and did kind of three different buckets
as it were and get the answers um that way

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00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:34,240
so we're gonna hear a few of those right now
from the the panel um and yeah we'll talk

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00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:40,920
about it a little bit on the other side are
you incorporating into your report what data

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00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:46,230
are we using what are some examples of data
being used do we have multi-sensor data or

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00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:51,450
of objects performing Maneuvers that seem
truly anomalous do we have photos videos what

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00:53:51,450 --> 00:53:55,930
about having the NASA historian go through
the NASA's historical records did you interview

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00:53:55,930 --> 00:54:01,560
military or Pilots for this study so looking
for some information about the kinds of data

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00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:07,980
well I think first and foremost our goal here
is a way to create a roadmap right so really

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00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:13,040
um you know we have been informed by some
of the events that are reported and we've

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00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:19,440
had uh but we've certainly not done a complete
historical study on our in an archive and

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00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,940
I think one of the things we've wanted to
do was learn what kinds of events have been

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00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:29,260
reported learn about some of the ones have
been resolve some of the ones that are unresolved

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00:54:29,260 --> 00:54:36,299
so we can best think about how in the future
we can collect data so that we can get more

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00:54:36,299 --> 00:54:42,369
robust answers what is NASA hiding and where
are you hiding it how much has been shared

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00:54:42,369 --> 00:54:48,950
publicly has NASA ever cut the live NASA TV
feed away from something has NASA released

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00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:54,520
all UAP evidence it has ever received what
about NASA astronauts do they have an NDA

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00:54:54,520 --> 00:55:01,589
or clearance that does not allow them to speak
about UAP sightings what are the science overlords

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00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:09,049
hiding all right I'll take a stab at the last
one that one I really want to assure the public

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00:55:09,049 --> 00:55:14,140
and to double down on some remarks I made
this morning that this agency is absolutely

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00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:22,609
cast iron committed to openness and transparency
and honesty and that commitment also extends

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00:55:22,609 --> 00:55:29,480
to our live NASA TV feeds they provide real-time
footage from our various missions now to my

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00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:36,740
knowledge NASA has never intentionally cut
a live feed to hide anything and that includes

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00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:43,950
uaps of course sometimes there are interruptions
to our feeds but that is simply because space

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00:55:43,950 --> 00:55:49,170
is a complex place there's a vast array of
natural phenomena human-made objects and so

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00:55:49,170 --> 00:55:55,710
forth but again I wanted to reassure the public
that we're absolutely committed to providing

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00:55:55,710 --> 00:56:00,920
the public transparency and openness those
are the Hallmarks of NASA that's why we're

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00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:07,109
here today in public on TV because we want
the public to have the opportunity to see

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00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:14,760
the process of this committee doing its work
in public it's only right uh scientists by

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00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,730
Nature are are at least intellectually sort
of rebellious it's it's it's in our nature

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00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:23,789
to question authority you know uh that's how
you're a good scientist you don't just take

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00:56:23,789 --> 00:56:30,690
someone's word for it you try to uh discover
the truth and for that reason uh you know

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00:56:30,690 --> 00:56:34,319
this question about what are the science overlords
hiding that's sort of written in a facetious

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00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:40,580
way but I I just want to emphasize that uh
there's no way that all that all scientists

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00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:45,860
could be in on on on on trying to hide something
because it's just not in our nature if somebody

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00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:51,770
told me to try to hide something as a scientist
that would just increase my desire to uh to

525
00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:57,920
re to belay that order and and to release
it and I think that's true of of our our community

526
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,310
in general I really consider it quite amazing
that we're here having this discussion as

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00:57:02,310 --> 00:57:07,630
a leadership to serves great kudos for this
and Beyond I think a recommendation that I'd

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00:57:07,630 --> 00:57:14,829
like to make is that NASA participate in symposia
in panels sponsor research when you have the

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00:57:14,829 --> 00:57:21,280
NASA logo on that sponsored research on the
discussion it really helps normalize and push

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00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:26,970
back against the stigma I think NASA can leverage
this excellent reputation both domestically

531
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:31,070
and abroad to help push back on that stigma
I think it's important to do so not just for

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00:57:31,070 --> 00:57:36,220
Science and Discovery but for National Security
that we've all seen what's occurred with balloons

533
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:40,970
from rival Nations we don't want this stigma
to be a vulnerability that rival Nations can

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00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:42,869
take advantage of

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00:57:42,869 --> 00:57:50,150
yes Dan yeah thanks Karen just a few additional
points um from the agency perspective we are

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00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:57,970
of course taking a set of actions to effectively
normalize the study of UAP so that involves

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00:57:57,970 --> 00:58:03,010
collaborating across the government encouraging
an open dialogue and promoting rigorous scientific

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00:58:03,010 --> 00:58:09,510
inquiry um let me turn to each of those interns
so in terms of promoting a rigorous scientific

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00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:18,369
inquiry the primary way we're doing this is
by being truly rigorous and employing an evidence-based

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00:58:18,369 --> 00:58:25,250
methodology in everything that we do that
is characteristic of scientific research it's

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00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:30,930
no accident that the people up on this stage
are true experts in their reflect his respective

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00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:38,400
Fields okay so that is in turn going to help
us to legitimize UAP studies encouraging open

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00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:44,980
dialogue so by holding public meetings such
as this one and having open conversations

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00:58:44,980 --> 00:58:50,740
about findings then we're helping to normalize
discussions again and that that really goes

545
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:56,040
arm and arm with our commitment to openness
and transparency with the public and then

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00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,559
finally in terms of collaborating across the
government we're working very closely with

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00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:06,140
other government agencies not least Sean's
office Aero to broaden the scope and the depth

548
00:59:06,140 --> 00:59:12,220
of our study and I honestly believe that this
Collective interagency approach will lend

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00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:17,640
credibility to the study of uaps and it's
going to demonstrate the seriousness with

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:25,170
which we're approaching this issue

551
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:31,380
there it is guys what do you think I I thought
that Dan Evans guy was pretty cool I I liked

552
00:59:31,380 --> 00:59:40,809
him um I see a lot of people in the chat disagreeing
that NASA has never cut its feeds um make

553
00:59:40,809 --> 00:59:47,250
of that what you will I know there's been
a lot of chatter throughout the years of conspiracies

554
00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:53,589
related to that um I I don't know I honestly
haven't looked that much into it so I cannot

555
00:59:53,589 --> 01:00:01,260
say you know Neil says never cut a live feed
don't believe it that's fair it's fair man

556
01:00:01,260 --> 01:00:09,520
um let's see here I want to get to some of
your comments before we move on to Sean Kirkpatrick

557
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:15,700
answering some questions from the NASA panel
which I found I actually found way more interesting

558
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:20,960
um some some really cool tidbits in there
that I uh personally want to talk about Christian

559
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,050
Morello says to my knowledge and he didn't
answer the NDA part which Diana preselka talks

560
01:00:25,050 --> 01:00:30,640
about so Christian's referring to Diana paselka
in an interview once stated that many astronauts

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01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:37,710
do sign ndas before they go to space just
in case they do see something strange um so

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01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:43,140
that they cannot disclose that to the public
where you have you know astronaut Kelly there

563
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:48,240
in the back you know making fun of all this
[\h__\h] and kind of being a dick to be completely

564
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:55,700
honest um uh saying no I've never had to do
that so you know it is what it is but I do

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01:00:55,700 --> 01:01:00,430
believe that they probably do have to sign
some sort of non-disclosure things if they

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01:01:00,430 --> 01:01:07,900
were to see anomalous things out there um
but yeah um I really did not appreciate the

567
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:13,319
way that uh Kelly handled himself during this
thing um I think it was I thought it was very

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01:01:13,319 --> 01:01:19,630
unprofessional and uh this NASA panel would
have been much better off without him I'll

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01:01:19,630 --> 01:01:22,890
leave it at that

570
01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:24,109
um let's see here

571
01:01:24,109 --> 01:01:34,859
get a few more of your comments here surprised
they didn't cut this feed bill yeah there

572
01:01:34,859 --> 01:01:38,410
was a little bit of um audio that dropped
there for a second I got a little nervous

573
01:01:38,410 --> 01:01:43,930
they were cutting my feed um

574
01:01:43,930 --> 01:01:46,740
we know they're totally full of crappy incest

575
01:01:46,740 --> 01:01:57,020
a lot of thoughts on this I know guys anyone
talking [\h__\h] about NASA does So based

576
01:01:57,020 --> 01:02:02,539
on BS Lucy says

577
01:02:02,539 --> 01:02:08,220
um I don't think the panel is full of crap
they mean well I think I agree I actually

578
01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:13,559
do agree with that I don't think this is a
panel made up of what did they say overlords

579
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:19,400
of the information um and hiding it I don't
believe that guys I honestly don't um there's

580
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:25,510
probably certain things that members of this
panel don't know that others might know um

581
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:30,220
so all we can hope for is that they bring
all that information together and come to

582
01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:36,470
some firm conclusions on these anomalies that
they're studying not from like a weird cover-up

583
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:43,260
sort of angle but um to genuinely find answers
and if those answers turn out to be prosaic

584
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:53,039
so be it that's the reason these studies are
going on and that's the reason Arrow exists

585
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:58,309
um let's see here Jazz thank you so much buddy
for the Super Chat just a reminder please

586
01:02:58,309 --> 01:03:02,920
help the channel if you can I know not everyone
can these days Ryan puts out so much good

587
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:10,700
material for free and no I don't get any money
from this chest thank you man um I try I I

588
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:17,480
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589
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:22,090
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590
01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:28,020
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591
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592
01:03:32,619 --> 01:03:38,020
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593
01:03:38,020 --> 01:03:43,421
you thank you um let's see here we had one
more Super Chat I wanted to get through thank

594
01:03:43,421 --> 01:03:49,400
you tati 10 super chat thanks Ryan I enjoy
your shows thank you I enjoy you being here

595
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:57,030
and taking part in this with me so thank you
thank you guys um [Music] let's see here

596
01:03:57,030 --> 01:04:05,740
get to a few more of your comments before
we move to my favorite part of the NASA thing

597
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:10,640
and that was uh Sean Kirkpatrick say what
you will about the guy but um you could tell

598
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:18,569
he's got them over his job and he wants NASA
to kind of take over for it which is hilarious

599
01:04:18,569 --> 01:04:24,859
um he look he's getting harassed and he's
getting [\h__\h] from his peers and so are

600
01:04:24,859 --> 01:04:31,579
people on the NASA panel um that were being
harassed by either peers within their fields

601
01:04:31,579 --> 01:04:41,750
or literally by members of the UFO community
so um stop if you're one of those people harassing

602
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:50,270
them and calling them you know uh you know
info Gatekeepers and and doxing them or any

603
01:04:50,270 --> 01:04:57,789
of that sort of juvenile crap um stuff don't
be a dick just just be a decent human being

604
01:04:57,789 --> 01:05:05,670
and maybe they'll actually uh they'll actually
help us and and and work with us so yeah that's

605
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:10,780
all I gotta say about the harassment end of
all of this and if you're a peer of these

606
01:05:10,780 --> 01:05:15,420
individuals and harassing them like what kind
of scientists are you really that you're that

607
01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:24,980
close-minded get the get the hell over yourselves
that's all I'm gonna say paranormal says Kirkpatrick

608
01:05:24,980 --> 01:05:31,819
is so ready for this whole thing to be someone
else's problem it's true he brings that up

609
01:05:31,819 --> 01:05:36,700
in this clip I think that I'm gonna play right
now let's just play Let's Play let's move

610
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:43,290
on um so Sean Kirkpatrick kind of showed what
Arrow was doing how they can eventually work

611
01:05:43,290 --> 01:05:50,100
with NASA on all of this um and and come to
some conclusions a couple things I wrote down

612
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:55,079
that I didn't want to forget these were kind
of the highlights that I took away from this

613
01:05:55,079 --> 01:06:02,250
um that that Sean Kirkpatrick brought up during
his time with the panel um where is it where

614
01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:10,130
is it oh Kirkpatrick showed a map of where
the dod is looking at UAP versus where NASA

615
01:06:10,130 --> 01:06:18,119
will be looking at UAP it was like DOD was
like this and NASA was like this um huge on

616
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:24,220
the pie chart so yeah it's very clear that
the dod is looking at sensitive military installation

617
01:06:24,220 --> 01:06:29,670
incursions with UAP and possible National
Security threats to those highly sensitive

618
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:35,829
areas whereas NASA will literally take over
everything else and look everywhere else for

619
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:40,319
this stuff so that was pretty interesting
kind of putting putting the ball in NASA's

620
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:44,829
court and saying hey you're NASA you should
have been doing this all along we're going

621
01:06:44,829 --> 01:06:50,690
to put a lot of the heavy work on you guys
and you deserve a permanent office to do that

622
01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:56,869
that was another big thing that they they
kind of um who are pushing for is for this

623
01:06:56,869 --> 01:07:02,849
panel to become like a true office within
NASA to invest create UFOs so I thought that

624
01:07:02,849 --> 01:07:09,970
was pretty cool um the other big thing I want
to make sure I get this right

625
01:07:09,970 --> 01:07:19,339
um the Pentagon is now actively hunting for
UFOs with purpose-built sensors so I believe

626
01:07:19,339 --> 01:07:23,289
that Kirkpatrick brings that up in this clip
I'm about to show you but they're creating

627
01:07:23,289 --> 01:07:29,490
their own sensors to actively search for these
things not just using archive data or past

628
01:07:29,490 --> 01:07:36,010
sensors um but actually actively creating
these things to look for them so that's pretty

629
01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:41,430
cool too oh gosh excuse me I got the hiccups
guys you have to forgive me it's the bear

630
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:46,569
it's definitely the beer um so let's go ahead
and play some of the answers from Kirkpatrick

631
01:07:46,569 --> 01:07:53,880
from NASA um again I found this part a lot
more interesting to be completely honest you

632
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:59,609
need to go beyond what you mentioned earlier
that is the type of Senses we have right now

633
01:07:59,609 --> 01:08:01,700
which are based on National Security threats
and certain phenomenologies and frequency

634
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:06,670
range of these kinds of things do you see
a reason of going beyond that yep absolutely

635
01:08:06,670 --> 01:08:11,289
what what are some of the challenges you see
there materials or whatever so we aren't just

636
01:08:11,289 --> 01:08:17,040
relying on the dod and IC sensors that exist
today because frankly they don't point to

637
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:23,730
where we want them to point right I mean I'll
be frank with with everyone we we can point

638
01:08:23,730 --> 01:08:33,510
the largest collection apparatus in the entire
Globe at any point we want you just have to

639
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:40,250
tell me where I want to point it second piece
of that is a lot of what we have is is around

640
01:08:40,250 --> 01:08:47,699
the continental United States most people
including the government don't like it when

641
01:08:47,699 --> 01:08:55,850
I point our entire collection apparatus to
your backyard right it's it's not allowed

642
01:08:55,850 --> 01:09:01,060
we have some laws about that and we've got
to figure out how to do this only in the areas

643
01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:07,350
that that I can get high confidence there's
going to be something there and high confidence

644
01:09:07,350 --> 01:09:12,920
I'm not going to break any laws doing it all
right so there's a there's a trade there so

645
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:17,770
some of these ground-based Point detectors
are going to be necessary for that to point

646
01:09:17,770 --> 01:09:23,900
up to point out to search coupled with we're
evaluating a number of sensor opportunities

647
01:09:23,900 --> 01:09:31,270
across different organizations Academia industry
whatnot that that already exist or are being

648
01:09:31,270 --> 01:09:37,000
built for similar purposes or maybe other
purposes that I might be able to recalibrate

649
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:43,140
for this see if those will have a chance of
of seeing that Target right so that's where

650
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:48,870
the modeling and Sim comes in can I can I
take that Target put it into your sensor and

651
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:55,000
have a chance of seeing it if I can then I
might want to use that you had said that only

652
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,230
a very small percentage of your cases display
signatures that could be anomalous and Then

653
01:09:59,230 --> 01:10:05,900
followed that up with the few objects that
do demonstrate potentially anomalous characteristics

654
01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:10,420
what numbers are we talking about how big
is your database how many years was it collected

655
01:10:10,420 --> 01:10:16,420
over and were those observations made and
then by few what do you mean right no that's

656
01:10:16,420 --> 01:10:25,050
a great question so this chart as I mentioned
we've updated with our current data Holdings

657
01:10:25,050 --> 01:10:37,340
at the time of my open hearing we were at
650 cases-ish we are now over 800. we are

658
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:47,140
putting together our annual report which will
be due August 1 to the hill and in it and

659
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:51,560
there will be an unclassified version as there
always has been we will have those updated

660
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:57,720
numbers at that time we roughly get I mean
you can do the math you know it depends anywhere

661
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,631
from from 50 to

662
01:10:59,631 --> 01:11:07,989
um 100-ish new reports a month now the reason
we had such a big jump recently is because

663
01:11:07,989 --> 01:11:13,469
I got faa's data integrated in finally and
so we ended up with like 100 and some odd

664
01:11:13,469 --> 01:11:20,600
new cases so there's there's a reason why
it's going to fluctuate the numbers that I

665
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:30,080
would say so um we're gonna we're gonna try
to do a little more uh Fidelity on some of

666
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:38,860
the analytics when we report out but the numbers
I would say that we see are possibly really

667
01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:49,270
anomalous are less than single digit percentages
of those that total database so maybe two

668
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:57,500
to five-ish percent the number of anomalous
phenomena what makes it anomalous in your

669
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:02,500
view what is the phenomenology where you're
pulling those cases out and saying this is

670
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:07,940
truly unexplained and then my second question
would be relative to the stigma how damaging

671
01:12:07,940 --> 01:12:13,170
is that in your view and what in particular
do you think NASA can do to help remedy the

672
01:12:13,170 --> 01:12:18,350
situation that's a great question so I'm going
to take this second one first because I know

673
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:25,170
we're getting short on time the the stigma
has improved significantly so over the years

674
01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:33,080
since the Navy first took this on some years
ago it is not gone and in fact I would argue

675
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:41,290
the stigma exists inside the leadership of
all of our our buildings right wherever that

676
01:12:41,290 --> 01:12:50,159
is um uh my team and I have also been subject
to lots of harassment especially coming out

677
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:56,410
of my last hearing because people don't understand
the scientific method and why it why we have

678
01:12:56,410 --> 01:13:01,810
to do the things we have to do all right and
because we can't just come out and say you

679
01:13:01,810 --> 01:13:06,300
know the greatest the greatest thing that
could happen to me is I could come out and

680
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:11,390
say hey I know where all these things are
here you go all right but I don't right and

681
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:19,550
it's going to take us time to research all
that um people want answers now and so they

682
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:26,489
are they're actually feeding the stigma by
by exhibiting that kind of behavior to all

683
01:13:26,489 --> 01:13:32,200
of us right that is that is a bad thing where
can NASA help I made that recommendation on

684
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:37,870
NASA should lead the scientific discourse
we need to elevate this conversation all right

685
01:13:37,870 --> 01:13:43,409
we need to have this conversation in an open
environment like this where we aren't going

686
01:13:43,409 --> 01:13:49,920
to get harassed because this is a hard problem
it is a hard target problem we need to understand

687
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:56,719
what is the things that are in all of our
domains space or air or undersea and how do

688
01:13:56,719 --> 01:13:57,730
we make sense of that

689
01:13:57,730 --> 01:14:07,710
um your first question on what makes it anomalous
to me we actually developed some definitions

690
01:14:07,710 --> 01:14:11,830
on all of these things we gave it both to
the White House and to Congress I think we've

691
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:18,250
got some of that into law now but essentially
anomalous is anything that is not readily

692
01:14:18,250 --> 01:14:25,620
understandable by the operator or the sensor

693
01:14:25,620 --> 01:14:31,690
right so it is doing something weird whether
that's maneuvering Against the Wind at Mach

694
01:14:31,690 --> 01:14:40,489
2 with no apparent propulsion or it's um going
into the water which we have we have shown

695
01:14:40,489 --> 01:14:46,210
is not a case that is actually a sensor anomaly
that we've now figured out and we're going

696
01:14:46,210 --> 01:14:56,030
to be publishing all that um you know those
kinds of things make anomalous signature uh

697
01:14:56,030 --> 01:15:05,560
we'll call it signature management but it's
things that are not readily understandable

698
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:10,730
in the context of hey I've got a thing that's
out in the light it should reflect a certain

699
01:15:10,730 --> 01:15:16,200
amount of light if it doesn't reflect that
amount of light something weird uh have you

700
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:23,880
ever partnered with International agencies
and those are ways for reporting to your so

701
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:30,170
that's that's a great question I want to expound
on that just a little bit so I have just held

702
01:15:30,170 --> 01:15:37,670
our first five eyes Forum on this subject
last week I think it was or earlier this week

703
01:15:37,670 --> 01:15:45,370
I don't know Dan was there and we have ex
you know we've we've entered into discussions

704
01:15:45,370 --> 01:15:50,670
with our partners on data sharing how do they
do reporting what kind of analysis can they

705
01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:55,360
help us with what kind of calibration can
they help us with what can we help them with

706
01:15:55,360 --> 01:16:00,630
and we're establishing all of that right now
um and they're going to end up you know sending

707
01:16:00,630 --> 01:16:06,210
their information and data to us to feed into
the process that we've laid out for how we're

708
01:16:06,210 --> 01:16:15,150
going to to do all this um beyond that I have
not had either the time or the bandwidth to

709
01:16:15,150 --> 01:16:22,890
do and that's why I would look to NASA to
expand the scientific and and academic relationships

710
01:16:22,890 --> 01:16:29,270
that they have across all of our allies and
partners on how can we bring them into the

711
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:35,930
fold that's where I think there's a lot of
benefit to NASA taking lead on that

712
01:16:35,930 --> 01:16:43,390
great uh thank you one just clarifications
for people who don't know what are the five

713
01:16:43,390 --> 01:16:49,770
eyes oh I'm sorry for those of you that aren't
familiar with the five eyes those are uh that's

714
01:16:49,770 --> 01:16:59,540
the UK Canada Australia New Zealand and the
United States so those are the five partners

715
01:16:59,540 --> 01:17:07,260
this is the five love eight the five eyes
baby finally finally we're getting other countries

716
01:17:07,260 --> 01:17:13,219
involved that's going to make Grant to levock
over in Australia very happy to hear that

717
01:17:13,219 --> 01:17:19,370
um we're actually going to hear from Grant
in just a few moments um what do you guys

718
01:17:19,370 --> 01:17:24,990
think I thought Kirkpatrick actually did a
wonderful job it's clear he's like really

719
01:17:24,990 --> 01:17:31,429
over this and really and look I I think he's
done amazing work he was thrown into a position

720
01:17:31,429 --> 01:17:38,489
that is impossible to make everyone happy
um and he also doesn't have the title clearance

721
01:17:38,489 --> 01:17:46,409
to get all the data he needs to do his job
at a hundred so like it's got to be frustrating

722
01:17:46,409 --> 01:17:52,670
it really does I I can't even imagine what
that poor guy goes through um I know some

723
01:17:52,670 --> 01:17:56,790
people in the chat are gonna be like don't
pity him don't pity him he's part of the cover-up

724
01:17:56,790 --> 01:18:01,420
blah blah blah um I think this is just a guy
trying to do his job and do it the best he

725
01:18:01,420 --> 01:18:07,850
possibly can with the resources he has it
was clear that he was kind of showing NASA

726
01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:15,140
like this is what we're doing from a defense
sort of angle um we need you guys we need

727
01:18:15,140 --> 01:18:22,370
you to do the science on this like we really
need you step up step up so um I think it's

728
01:18:22,370 --> 01:18:27,710
great I I think it was great that they had
him there to talk and ask him questions like

729
01:18:27,710 --> 01:18:33,120
what do you need what can we give you and
what can you give us from a defense perspective

730
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:40,040
and from a scientific perspective working
together oh my god did that blow people's

731
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:49,860
mind working together on UFOs oh my God crazy
absolutely crazy you know what else is crazy

732
01:18:49,860 --> 01:18:55,710
no face Lord with a ten dollar Super Chat
thank you a part of reading stigma is not

733
01:18:55,710 --> 01:19:00,600
only just normalizing the subject but giving
space to the more High strange elements of

734
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:07,390
the phenomena Time Slips abductions laps in
reality it's all important um I get that I

735
01:19:07,390 --> 01:19:13,330
totally do I think we're in the infancy stages
right now of the mainstream public and the

736
01:19:13,330 --> 01:19:22,140
mainstream scientists uh finally digging into
this topic from the kind of way and end approach

737
01:19:22,140 --> 01:19:28,440
that they do and that's from the scientific
method and it's very hard to record or repeat

738
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:36,330
any of these Time Slips or abductions or or
anything like that so um give it time um if

739
01:19:36,330 --> 01:19:43,920
you believe in any sort of quote unquote disclosure
um it's you know it's not a race it really

740
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:50,890
isn't so so thank you no face Lord appreciate
your insights on that

741
01:19:50,890 --> 01:20:01,190
um poor Dude Looks like he just kind of touched
it tiger um let's see here Christian says

742
01:20:01,190 --> 01:20:09,010
he has a difficult job it's true it's true
double-edged sword like it's clear like you

743
01:20:09,010 --> 01:20:13,100
probably finds some of this curious and interesting
but at the end of the day like how do you

744
01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:21,060
do your job when it'd be like you know going
into room and them telling you like right

745
01:20:21,060 --> 01:20:26,150
right out the entire Declaration of Independence
on a piece of paper with this pencil and they

746
01:20:26,150 --> 01:20:32,639
hand you the pencil and uh the you know the
lead is gone and there's no pencil sharpener

747
01:20:32,639 --> 01:20:37,600
like how do you do your job without the one
resource you really need in and Kirkpatrick

748
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:43,790
is very limited with his resources so if he
can move any of that over to NASA um great

749
01:20:43,790 --> 01:20:50,030
it's only gonna help I think in in finding
some answers to these things James says I

750
01:20:50,030 --> 01:20:54,900
believe Kirkpatrick science must be allowed
to process the data and come to a scientific

751
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:59,600
conclusion

752
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,639
let's see

753
01:21:03,639 --> 01:21:07,310
the anti-try heart says I think that everything
with NASA comes to nothing and eventually

754
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:14,020
falls asleep and they are just as frustrated
as uh Elizondo was with his group um a lot

755
01:21:14,020 --> 01:21:21,040
of people do think like all of this stuff
you know the switching of of acronyms for

756
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:27,460
these groups arrow aimsog that uh the NASA
panel um this that this that they're doing

757
01:21:27,460 --> 01:21:32,920
all of this to dizzy the public and eventually
get them so disinterested that they'll no

758
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:37,940
longer want to be curious about UFOs but I
don't think that's going to happen I think

759
01:21:37,940 --> 01:21:44,810
it's a new age of curiosity and and each of
these things lead to something else like you

760
01:21:44,810 --> 01:21:51,100
can't tell me that when that New York Times
article came out and Elizondo came forward

761
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:57,670
and all that that they ever thought NASA would
be doing an official panel you know for the

762
01:21:57,670 --> 01:22:03,750
first time ever on UFO so there's a chain
reaction and a response to a lot of these

763
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:10,370
things that have happened since 2017. and
um and I don't think anyone could have foreseen

764
01:22:10,370 --> 01:22:16,830
where it would be today and that's good um
they'd be bad in some ways but I think good

765
01:22:16,830 --> 01:22:21,290
for the most part so yeah yeah I think it's
interesting

766
01:22:21,290 --> 01:22:28,480
okay guys so here's what we're going to do
now and this is going to kind of close out

767
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:34,440
the show I will pop back in at the end of
these um to kind of tease some stuff coming

768
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:39,850
up at somewhere in the skies but what I'm
going to do now is hand it over to some of

769
01:22:39,850 --> 01:22:46,810
your favorite UFO personalities um members
of UFO Twitter and the public um to give their

770
01:22:46,810 --> 01:22:52,090
thoughts on how this whole NASA thing went
I thought it was great I honestly did some

771
01:22:52,090 --> 01:22:59,120
of it was really dry some of it was NASA patting
themselves on the back um some of it was obviously

772
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:05,670
cyanide glances smirks and ridicule like Kelly
was doing um and some of it was very beneficial

773
01:23:05,670 --> 01:23:10,370
and I think it's only going to move all of
these investigations forward in trying to

774
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:18,540
understand these UAP now from a scientific
level so I'm very happy that NASA is now involved

775
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:24,850
and um and that Nessie is now involved so
yeah that's kind of my last words on it um

776
01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:31,219
I thought it was good what's most important
is their report that will be coming out later

777
01:23:31,219 --> 01:23:37,410
this summer NASA's report so be on the lookout
for that that's when hopefully we're going

778
01:23:37,410 --> 01:23:43,469
to get some answers on some of the anomalous
phenomena they're looking at and um yeah that's

779
01:23:43,469 --> 01:23:50,540
what I'm excited about so what I'm going to
do now is hand it over to a bunch of these

780
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:57,199
UFO personalities and people interested in
this topic um to give their thoughts on this

781
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:03,370
NASA panel and um yeah stick around guys I
hope you'll watch it um these people poured

782
01:24:03,370 --> 01:24:08,480
their hearts into these things and um yeah
I'll see you at the end of the show and we'll

783
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:12,450
continue to close things out then don't go
anywhere give this a watch and I'll see you

784
01:24:12,450 --> 01:24:13,450
on the other side

785
01:24:13,450 --> 01:24:20,970
a g'day Grant levakia from The Unexplained
rundown and calling in from summer in the

786
01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:25,860
skies Down Under I thought I'd just check
in and share some of my thoughts on NASA's

787
01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:31,461
recent public meeting the independent study
team's discussions on the topic of UAP I was

788
01:24:31,461 --> 01:24:36,780
really encouraged uh by the public meeting
because this is really the first time that

789
01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:43,340
the scientific community at this scale at
The Prestige of NASA that's taking this topic

790
01:24:43,340 --> 01:24:49,730
incredibly seriously we know that the Galileo
project under RV Loeb and the SCU is doing

791
01:24:49,730 --> 01:24:53,910
has and is continuing doing some great work
but a lot of countries around the world look

792
01:24:53,910 --> 01:25:00,110
up to NASA as taking the the lead on scientific
discover and exploration so I'm very encouraged

793
01:25:00,110 --> 01:25:07,400
to see uh you know NASA apply such a a scientific
approach and method to better understanding

794
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:11,270
the nature and extent of UAP and hopefully
that will inspire other countries around the

795
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:18,560
world in due course what I also found relatively
stunning was Dr Sean Kirkpatrick the director

796
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:25,989
of Arrow his Revelation that he had just conducted
his first five eyes Forum on UAP now the five

797
01:25:25,989 --> 01:25:30,840
eyes we know that's an intelligence alliance
between the United States Canada the UK Australia

798
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,721
and New Zealand and thanks to the reporting
of Daniel Lotus out of Canada we know that

799
01:25:35,721 --> 01:25:43,100
you know ARA's predecessor the uaptf had engaged
Canada on the topic of UAP but we've been

800
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:48,420
left in the dark as to the other countries
UK Australia New Zealand well now we know

801
01:25:48,420 --> 01:25:53,750
that those other five eyes Partners had been
engaged on the topic of UAP now we don't know

802
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:57,810
who is represented at that five eyes forum
and that's something that I'm trying to get

803
01:25:57,810 --> 01:26:03,790
some answers on but it's very very significant
because the Australian Department of Defense

804
01:26:03,790 --> 01:26:08,480
and the Royal Australian Air Force have historically
held a position that move along folks there's

805
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:12,710
nothing to see here with the UAP topic and
point of fact not only have they ridiculed

806
01:26:12,710 --> 01:26:18,420
it but they have shown absolutely no interest
whatsoever in this topic we know that they

807
01:26:18,420 --> 01:26:24,060
have absolutely no desire to collaborate on
the issue of UAP uh we know that they don't

808
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:31,179
even believe that the five eyes is an appropriate
Forum uh for discussions to be had on UAP

809
01:26:31,179 --> 01:26:36,660
a complete contradiction to that of uh Arrow
which is doing exactly what it was mandated

810
01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:43,080
to do so uh very very interesting to see how
that uh that engagement with five eyes Partners

811
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:47,780
progresses so what can you do to help well
if you're an Australian citizen or resident

812
01:26:47,780 --> 01:26:55,280
now it is more important than ever to uh engage
your elected representatives and tell your

813
01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:00,830
Australian government that you want it to
take the topic of UAP UAP seriously so uh

814
01:27:00,830 --> 01:27:05,949
please sign if you're an Australian citizen
or resident sign share the petition uh it's

815
01:27:05,949 --> 01:27:13,100
been up for a bit over a week a week it's
already had 480 signatures so uh if you if

816
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:16,159
you if you take this topic seriously and you
want your government to take it seriously

817
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:21,230
I encourage you to sign and share this petition
hopefully Ryan won't have any objections to

818
01:27:21,230 --> 01:27:26,180
putting the the the link in the show notes
below so enjoy the rest of the show Ryan and

819
01:27:26,180 --> 01:27:32,619
uh there's my thoughts I was really encouraged
to see the NASA panel have a public discussion

820
01:27:32,619 --> 01:27:39,390
about the UAP phenomena I don't feel that
there was any smoke screen I mean to me it

821
01:27:39,390 --> 01:27:48,449
looked like many involved genuinely wanted
those answers when it comes to UFOs UAP and

822
01:27:48,449 --> 01:27:54,590
Dr Kirkpatrick stated that only two percent
of five percent of the 800 reports indicate

823
01:27:54,590 --> 01:28:00,800
something possibly really anomalous and that
percentage while it seems very small is quite

824
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:06,429
significant and encouraging and it would be
great to get more information on those specific

825
01:28:06,429 --> 01:28:12,350
reports because they're in the category of
unexplained at least for the time being and

826
01:28:12,350 --> 01:28:17,360
it's obvious that there needs to be more cooperation
between the different departments for the

827
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:24,119
purpose of data collection for the purpose
of research and so hopefully that's something

828
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:30,830
that will change in the near future and the
fact that NASA said that a UAP independent

829
01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:36,610
study team report will be posted in July is
very encouraging that's what we all want to

830
01:28:36,610 --> 01:28:42,679
hear I thought we all want to see is the data
so I'm pretty excited for that aspect of it

831
01:28:42,679 --> 01:28:47,230
and Christopher mellon's new article brings
up several great points that if addressed

832
01:28:47,230 --> 01:28:52,300
by new hearings by the Senate armed services
committee could really take the discussion

833
01:28:52,300 --> 01:28:59,730
and transparency to a new level and the more
that we have these conversations the more

834
01:28:59,730 --> 01:29:04,540
that we do the research in these in these
areas the more questions that we ask the better

835
01:29:04,540 --> 01:29:11,929
questions we can ask the Senate and receive
the proper answers so this is all very exciting

836
01:29:11,929 --> 01:29:17,630
we're living in really a brand new world when
it comes to the UFO phenomenon and that transparency

837
01:29:17,630 --> 01:29:25,420
or the Big D word disclosure but remember
keep Uris on the skies hey guys Tom from estimated

838
01:29:25,420 --> 01:29:31,000
situation here as you guys know NASA came
out with their own UAP panel to discuss the

839
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:36,889
topic and while things might look like they're
moving forward and I'm cautiously optimistic

840
01:29:36,889 --> 01:29:42,190
I would just like to remind everybody that
we've been here before we've been here before

841
01:29:42,190 --> 01:29:47,139
where there are people working behind the
scenes to legitimize this and take this seriously

842
01:29:47,139 --> 01:29:54,119
and that was more than 60 years ago so just
be wary be vigilant and remember do your own

843
01:29:54,119 --> 01:29:58,120
research and follow your own breadcrumbs don't
let anybody give you the truth I'm also going

844
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:04,250
to play a recording by Donald Kiko to illustrate
the fact that where we are right now might

845
01:30:04,250 --> 01:30:08,860
not be any different from where we were 60
years ago in terms of this topic and again

846
01:30:08,860 --> 01:30:13,650
while I'm cautiously optimistic uh if you
don't know your history you don't know where

847
01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:21,170
we're gonna go it's 1953 when I wrote flying
saucers from outer space sightings of the

848
01:30:21,170 --> 01:30:26,429
so-called unidentified flying objects have
multiplied and practically every country this

849
01:30:26,429 --> 01:30:32,730
increased saucer surveillance has been confirmed
by pilots radar men are trained ground Observers

850
01:30:32,730 --> 01:30:38,219
from the details of these worldwide reports
it is evident that the saucers have moved

851
01:30:38,219 --> 01:30:44,000
into a new phase of operation one that may
change the lives of everyone on this globe

852
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:49,710
here in the United States the official investigation
has been greatly intensified scores of prominent

853
01:30:49,710 --> 01:30:55,770
scientists and Engineers are now working behind
the scenes helping to evaluate the facts most

854
01:30:55,770 --> 01:31:02,390
of the public is unaware of these developments
or since December 1953 the Air Force has refused

855
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:08,760
to release any official reports of flying
saucer encounters and revealing the censorship

856
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:13,460
I am not attacking the Air Force as a whole
most of the officers and officials I have

857
01:31:13,460 --> 01:31:19,199
encountered are simply obeying orders nor
do I attribute unpatriotic motives to the

858
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:25,159
silence group members who originate these
orders undoubtedly they are actuated by a

859
01:31:25,159 --> 01:31:30,360
high motive the need as they see it to protect
the public from possible Hysteria

860
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:41,159
yes I know NASA and its independent study
team of the UAP phenomenon you know they didn't

861
01:31:41,159 --> 01:31:46,790
provide what a lot of Hardcore UFO Believers
and zealots really really wanted they didn't

862
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:52,270
come out and give the big Revelation this
wasn't disclosure but this was the scientific

863
01:31:52,270 --> 01:31:58,390
Community taking a hard look at what is going
to be needed in order to really evaluate the

864
01:31:58,390 --> 01:32:05,810
uip phenomenon and you know this is what I
was expecting that you know from the scientific

865
01:32:05,810 --> 01:32:10,840
point of view there really isn't any hard
scientific data which they emphasize throughout

866
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:15,050
the whole thing there's lots of anecdotal
evidence there's lots of stuff you can find

867
01:32:15,050 --> 01:32:20,409
on UFO Twitter and lots of videos that are
claiming to be the real thing I mean they

868
01:32:20,409 --> 01:32:25,909
did Trot out some videos that we we think
have some reasonable expectation of being

869
01:32:25,909 --> 01:32:29,780
anomalous but there's those ones that they
explained and why did they show things that

870
01:32:29,780 --> 01:32:34,369
you can explain well this is indicative of
the type of thing they're getting they also

871
01:32:34,369 --> 01:32:39,630
pointed out the thing about harassment that
the scientists on this panel were being harassed

872
01:32:39,630 --> 01:32:47,190
not only by the hardcore scoffers in the scientific
Community but from a lot of the UFO zealots

873
01:32:47,190 --> 01:32:52,310
who are you know really down on them for not
coming clean and telling them what they really

874
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:58,670
want to know that's a problem and yet this
was a very big step this is the scientific

875
01:32:58,670 --> 01:33:03,670
Community laying out what it really needs
it needs hardcore data it needs Telemetry

876
01:33:03,670 --> 01:33:12,100
it needs data that can be corroborated in
a scientific way and then produce some papers

877
01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:16,040
and it's transparent yeah I know you're saying
yeah they're they're really covering this

878
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:22,030
up they're just taking boxes and stuff like
that well this is NASA holding a public briefing

879
01:33:22,030 --> 01:33:30,550
about UFOs or UAP that's significant and I
think we have to appreciate what we got it's

880
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:36,670
not everything but the future is very bright
so about four days ago NASA had its public

881
01:33:36,670 --> 01:33:42,170
meeting on UAP team studying unidentified
phenomenon shares the preliminary update and

882
01:33:42,170 --> 01:33:46,260
I really like this because there was a lot
of interesting quotes in this from the people

883
01:33:46,260 --> 01:33:52,900
who were actually on the panel including Scott
Kelly writer astronaut friend who also has

884
01:33:52,900 --> 01:33:57,571
his twin brother that they've done space experiments
on along with non-space experiments so that

885
01:33:57,571 --> 01:34:03,480
they have a good control group right very
science-based people as well as Nadia Drake

886
01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:09,260
Frank Drake's daughter so I mean there was
a Mastery of all sorts of different people

887
01:34:09,260 --> 01:34:14,060
that we could talk about a little bit the
first actually came from Evans which is there's

888
01:34:14,060 --> 01:34:20,550
absolutely no convincing evidence for extraterrestrial
life associated with uaps a lot of people

889
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:25,040
in the community got really upset about this
like there's no evidence talking to say there's

890
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:31,440
no evidence but if we just take a step back
and we look to see what the mainstream people

891
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:36,610
are saying there is no evidence as of right
now a quote that I liked was that given that

892
01:34:36,610 --> 01:34:42,110
there are three billion to 4 billion mobile
phones around the world Sparkle said the development

893
01:34:42,110 --> 01:34:46,929
of an app could use to record data and upload
to a website for tracking UAB which would

894
01:34:46,929 --> 01:34:51,850
be a great citizen science opportunity which
is incredibly interesting because I feel like

895
01:34:51,850 --> 01:34:57,100
us in the UFO Community do this on a daily
basis anyway there's plenty of people that

896
01:34:57,100 --> 01:35:02,440
you can send your UFO videos into your view
your UFO information into for people to analyze

897
01:35:02,440 --> 01:35:07,350
who are video analysts there's a whole Community
ready to grab all of this so I had some thoughts

898
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:11,630
about them developing their own app we are
truly to respect the sanctity of the scientific

899
01:35:11,630 --> 01:35:16,710
process then we need to allow science indeed
to be free and that freedom sense from the

900
01:35:16,710 --> 01:35:22,540
direct directly from an absence of harassment
to this incredible team of panelists and if

901
01:35:22,540 --> 01:35:27,260
there's one thing that we know about science
is that it's the search for truth you're putting

902
01:35:27,260 --> 01:35:35,070
everything on the line to study aliens I have
very controversial topic for some reason and

903
01:35:35,070 --> 01:35:39,929
I just did a little transcript search on it
to see how many times they actually used the

904
01:35:39,929 --> 01:35:46,011
word extraterrestrial in the in the study
and they used the word 17 times

905
01:35:46,011 --> 01:36:03,659
NASA's big questions is is there life out
there right and a lot of what NASA is doing

906
01:36:03,659 --> 01:36:10,540
in its exploration of the solar system and
beyond is focused on searching for life in

907
01:36:10,540 --> 01:36:15,030
any form extraterrestrial way planets are
common we knew of course about the planets

908
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:20,139
in our solar system but we now know there
are lots of planets out there so there are

909
01:36:20,139 --> 01:36:28,080
lots of potential environments for life and
I think one of the most fascinating questions

910
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:35,620
is do any of those planets host life so wherever
you're at with it on the Spectrum the truth

911
01:36:35,620 --> 01:36:41,190
is that the NASA UAP study had a discussion
about the possibility of extraterrestrials

912
01:36:41,190 --> 01:36:47,460
existing anywhere in the universe what's NASA's
response yeah there's a lot of planets and

913
01:36:47,460 --> 01:36:52,300
yeah you damn well right we're looking for
those E.T because the mathematical probability

914
01:36:52,300 --> 01:36:57,260
is there and the rational people who can do
the math to see that the mathematical probability

915
01:36:57,260 --> 01:37:02,989
that we're alone in the universe is very very
slim and the fact that we're probably just

916
01:37:02,989 --> 01:37:08,630
one little tiny species in comparison to tons
and tons and tons of other species so that's

917
01:37:08,630 --> 01:37:13,600
hard to get her heart around but I think this
was a step forward and big shout out to Ryan

918
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:19,170
schrag thanks so much for letting me be on
your video today and uh peace this is Dan

919
01:37:19,170 --> 01:37:24,500
from the UFO podcast thank you for inviting
me to share my thoughts on the NASA panel

920
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:29,250
it's been a really interesting week seeing
the Fallout from it and how people take different

921
01:37:29,250 --> 01:37:34,219
things you know we'll take puzzle pieces and
it's worth coming together exactly like Ryan's

922
01:37:34,219 --> 01:37:40,010
put together here to to emphasize these different
things for each other if you've seen that

923
01:37:40,010 --> 01:37:43,750
UFO podcast you know that I don't like to
dwell on the negative so all those Scott Kelly

924
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:49,060
and the go fast stuff is questionable I'm
just gonna pack that on the side and just

925
01:37:49,060 --> 01:37:55,159
discuss the highlights one of the biggest
surprises for me was how much we got to witness

926
01:37:55,159 --> 01:37:58,600
a kind of live brainstorming of scientists
on this issue it was real exciting really

927
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:04,780
exciting to see that and I wish that we could
almost be in that room with them as they're

928
01:38:04,780 --> 01:38:09,000
discussing their research tactics and methods
and tools that they're going to use almost

929
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:16,099
constantly Sean Kirkpatrick had a pretty good
showing at this he almost seemed to be daring

930
01:38:16,099 --> 01:38:22,659
NASA to go for it and take it out of his hands
it feels like Sean how to put this in a metaphor

931
01:38:22,659 --> 01:38:28,620
it feels like he enjoys chess but he's realizing
that the game is rigged and so wants to bring

932
01:38:28,620 --> 01:38:35,080
in some other expertise which I think we can
all agree is a good thing he highlighted that

933
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:40,449
he held a five ice Forum last week which is
real real Wonder a step forward that means

934
01:38:40,449 --> 01:38:45,310
the UK New Zealand Australia Canada and the
US are now engaged with each other in discussing

935
01:38:45,310 --> 01:38:48,280
this research which collaboration and moving
forward is just the best thing Sean highlighted

936
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:55,730
that there were 800 cases in his Holdings
at the moment with about you know a small

937
01:38:55,730 --> 01:39:00,920
percentage having seemingly anomalous qualities
that is about 15 to 40 anomalous events in

938
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:06,440
the arrow Holdings and I wish we could see
those I'm sure I'm not the only person that

939
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:13,480
wishes there it was amazing to see experts
just engage in good faith um and for me this

940
01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:17,290
this whole meeting Justified what project
Galileo was doing that's having low ab's effort

941
01:39:17,290 --> 01:39:21,980
um with Harvard in terms of their putting
sensors all over the world together their

942
01:39:21,980 --> 01:39:25,700
own UAP data they have their own algorithms
there are seven peer review papers they released

943
01:39:25,700 --> 01:39:30,219
last week that you can go read highly recommend
you read those just as the scientists on this

944
01:39:30,219 --> 01:39:36,210
panel explained we have to Define what's normal
before we can see what's anomalous so there's

945
01:39:36,210 --> 01:39:41,630
a lot of real good groundwork going in from
Galileo NASA if they're smart will just engage

946
01:39:41,630 --> 01:39:46,460
Galileo on this because Harvard is a public
space it's transparent it's open they don't

947
01:39:46,460 --> 01:39:52,530
want to touch classified information just
like NASA emphasized so they should work together

948
01:39:52,530 --> 01:39:56,889
NASA emphasize they're looking at archival
data as well they even spoke about the ISS

949
01:39:56,889 --> 01:40:02,110
feeds the International Space Station feeds
cutting they said that there was nothing like

950
01:40:02,110 --> 01:40:05,560
that happening in their experience but we
all know that someone in NASA is doing these

951
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:11,230
kind of things I just don't think anyone on
this panel has been initiated into that secret

952
01:40:11,230 --> 01:40:17,280
Club if it exists it goes back a lot further
and we have to remember that government organizations

953
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:22,080
are made up of many different people with
many different levels of access and experience

954
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:26,469
just because they work for NASA it doesn't
mean they're never going to give us a straight

955
01:40:26,469 --> 01:40:30,840
answer you know a few people on this panel
recommended things like NASA creating apps

956
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:37,890
and a permanent board as well um to study
the UAP issue because they emphasize that

957
01:40:37,890 --> 01:40:42,110
harassment was happening in the workplace
we can see harassment of certain figures like

958
01:40:42,110 --> 01:40:48,260
Nadia Drake and people like that or Dr Nadia
Draco should say respectfully um in public

959
01:40:48,260 --> 01:40:56,770
forums too so I would urge everyone to just
you know sit back give these people the the

960
01:40:56,770 --> 01:41:01,410
best uh shot at doing this the panelists also
challenged each other throughout which I really

961
01:41:01,410 --> 01:41:06,750
liked um the few standout Heroes for me from
it were Dr Federica Bianco and David Dr David

962
01:41:06,750 --> 01:41:12,449
grinspoon they came out shining as as well
as a few others who really held them to themselves

963
01:41:12,449 --> 01:41:17,600
to account to answer the questions that they've
been set they'll be working with the UAP TF

964
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:22,850
oh sorry Arrow now as it's called um they'll
have someone embedded there to kind of help

965
01:41:22,850 --> 01:41:29,349
them and they're doing it in the name of Discovery
and exploration this is all we've really have

966
01:41:29,349 --> 01:41:35,000
wanted from scientists just open conversation
about this and take it seriously they emphasize

967
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:39,830
that some anomalies point to some novel interesting
phenomena so it seems like they're excited

968
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:44,550
about new science uh it's almost interesting
to draw comparisons to like gravity waves

969
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:51,449
and things like that to to understand that
we're finding these new new arms of science

970
01:41:51,449 --> 01:41:55,910
all the time and even meteorites falling from
the sky at one point was marked when Farmers

971
01:41:55,910 --> 01:42:00,020
said that they would experience these rocks
falling onto their land scientists were like

972
01:42:00,020 --> 01:42:03,450
no this doesn't happen now it's commonplace
you know we know their exoplanets we know

973
01:42:03,450 --> 01:42:08,580
there are rocks flying around the solar system
our place is being redefined and NASA really

974
01:42:08,580 --> 01:42:14,889
stands to help us tackle this following this
there was a front page news item on the BBC

975
01:42:14,889 --> 01:42:19,760
website and not even BBC News but just bbc.com
which is a big step forward and though the

976
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:25,449
article wasn't necessarily um brilliant it
just shows that we're taking steps forward

977
01:42:25,449 --> 01:42:31,760
and just financed doing this it's a kind of
lesson in the stigma um so yeah if you if

978
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:35,369
you're a little disappointed by this just
sit back smile the Roses appreciate that this

979
01:42:35,369 --> 01:42:42,000
isn't necessary for us um us being people
who have had a normal anomalous experiences

980
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:46,711
and you know all in on this because we've
seen something other uh this is for the people

981
01:42:46,711 --> 01:42:51,469
who really need to Define it and get that
peer-reviewed data in and they need the evidence

982
01:42:51,469 --> 01:42:57,880
so this is great you know we all watched a
four plus hour presentation from NASA on UAP

983
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:04,810
it's a good week greetings from sunny stun-up
in northern England well what to say about

984
01:43:04,810 --> 01:43:14,349
the whole NASA thing it just seems like find
the I don't know the footage that they can

985
01:43:14,349 --> 01:43:20,920
easily explain and then portray it as a mystery
and then go hey look we've sold this one and

986
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:25,690
that sort of oh maybe just put doubts into
people's minds as to anything else that they

987
01:43:25,690 --> 01:43:32,720
might refer to or show afterwards you know
it just seems a bit like the you know it's

988
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:39,469
almost lip service to anomalous events you
know why don't they show gimbal you know that's

989
01:43:39,469 --> 01:43:44,211
truly Anonymous is it one that you look at
and you just think what the hell is that and

990
01:43:44,211 --> 01:43:49,920
it just seems really strange that that's the
one they should show and go look what is this

991
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:55,810
we don't know what it is um rather than going
for these kind of low-hanging fruit videos

992
01:43:55,810 --> 01:44:00,800
where they say oh yeah those are aircraft
oh that one's a Batman balloon and you know

993
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:06,139
it I don't know it just seems a bit a bit
off that's all I'm not entirely sure why they're

994
01:44:06,139 --> 01:44:12,330
doing that for maybe they're just the easy
wins for them so they can show competence

995
01:44:12,330 --> 01:44:17,119
I really don't know anyway hello everybody
out there um I hope everyone's doing well

996
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:25,040
and nice sunny day like I've got here in Weird
Al see ya bye what is up Ryan Andy somewhere

997
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:32,340
in the skies family Justin Tandy here from
uh the I believe in humans podcast uh thanks

998
01:44:32,340 --> 01:44:40,190
for reaching out uh the NASA meeting recently
this week thought reactions

999
01:44:40,190 --> 01:44:45,030
um I think it was a mixed bag I've seen a
lot of different reviews in terms of people

1000
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:51,280
that were not thrilled with it uh specifically
dismantling the go fast video one of the infamous

1001
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:58,960
videos that Mr Elizondo stepped out into the
public eye with um I've also seen people very

1002
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:07,260
um stoked that NASA's even doing something
like this so I am somewhere in the middle

1003
01:45:07,260 --> 01:45:13,980
in terms of the quality of the content uh
I was hoping would be a little sharper as

1004
01:45:13,980 --> 01:45:18,670
I think anybody that's been in this subject
for a little while would agree you know we're

1005
01:45:18,670 --> 01:45:23,150
just ready for something big from one of these
organizations we want to see more videos we

1006
01:45:23,150 --> 01:45:31,540
want the data but I'm reminded after doing
a uh an interaction with um an audience last

1007
01:45:31,540 --> 01:45:38,920
night on on a another show that I was on um
that most people in the general public have

1008
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:46,679
no idea what's going on they are so new to
this topic that the fact that organizations

1009
01:45:46,679 --> 01:45:54,090
like Arrow or Senators like Senator gillibrand
or NASA now uh are even taking this thing

1010
01:45:54,090 --> 01:45:59,040
seriously and talking about this topic that's
amazing to them and I think that those of

1011
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:04,770
us that have been kind of researching this
stuff we can lose sight of uh just how groundbreaking

1012
01:46:04,770 --> 01:46:13,119
it is we want bigger better data and we want
it now but I got people that still don't understand

1013
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:18,850
what actually happened supposedly at Roswell
right they the questions that most people

1014
01:46:18,850 --> 01:46:26,610
are asking in the general public are so still
uh fundamental and novice level that I think

1015
01:46:26,610 --> 01:46:32,270
we need to sit back and relax and just realize
that yes we didn't get anything majorly explosive

1016
01:46:32,270 --> 01:46:38,159
out of this meeting but it still is a huge
step in the right direction in my opinion

1017
01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:44,440
this thing isn't going to change overnight
right they've been sort of mums the word for

1018
01:46:44,440 --> 01:46:50,080
decades about this and all of a sudden we
get two uh back-to-back meetings you know

1019
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:55,230
one from Arrow and the small SubCom subcommittee
meeting and then we get NASA I think we're

1020
01:46:55,230 --> 01:46:59,870
heading in the right direction and we're going
to continue to get more of these and the biggest

1021
01:46:59,870 --> 01:47:04,389
thing the biggest takeaway is all they want
and what they're asking for is they're asking

1022
01:47:04,389 --> 01:47:11,270
for some funding and they're asking for Access
right so as long as we can get uh Dr Kirkpatrick

1023
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:17,460
uh you know title 50 access so they can actually
get to some of these data uh these sensor

1024
01:47:17,460 --> 01:47:21,360
systems and maybe there is something there
there maybe there is some a pot of gold at

1025
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:28,530
the end of that rainbow and if they can get
some funding to actually uh fund investigative

1026
01:47:28,530 --> 01:47:33,100
teams and research and a travel budget and
all that kind of stuff to get around look

1027
01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:38,460
they said only two to five percent could be
truly anomalous right but remember that's

1028
01:47:38,460 --> 01:47:43,349
all it takes right I think it was Michio keku
who's who said that the Paradigm is Shifting

1029
01:47:43,349 --> 01:47:49,110
um if you don't believe in this stuff essentially
you have to be right every time but if you

1030
01:47:49,110 --> 01:47:55,950
do you really only need to be right one time
right like we don't need uh a thousand confirmed

1031
01:47:55,950 --> 01:48:04,900
sightings we really only need one one irrefutable
uh siding and an experience and that's enough

1032
01:48:04,900 --> 01:48:09,710
to get the job done and move the move the
ball down the field as they would say so I'm

1033
01:48:09,710 --> 01:48:15,550
really optimistic about what's to come um
and hopefully uh the fireworks are down the

1034
01:48:15,550 --> 01:48:19,489
road but anyway that's my thoughts here from
the I believe in humans podcast thanks for

1035
01:48:19,489 --> 01:48:24,620
reaching out Ryan and uh good luck today everybody
have a great Sunday thank you Ryan greetings

1036
01:48:24,620 --> 01:48:29,530
from Germany I'm Patrick and thank you for
asking me for my opinion on the recent meeting

1037
01:48:29,530 --> 01:48:37,280
uh by NASA regarding UFOs uaps whatever you
want to call it the phenomena uh let me start

1038
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:42,800
by saying this I'm a close encounter witness
to a black triangular craft I wasn't alone

1039
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:47,159
and I was an unambiguous Encounter of 10 meters
right above my head so to me there's absolutely

1040
01:48:47,159 --> 01:48:52,820
no question whether or not the phenomena is
real it is 100 real um that being said it

1041
01:48:52,820 --> 01:48:58,449
gets me very excited of course to see NASA
holding public meetings live streaming them

1042
01:48:58,449 --> 01:49:07,199
four hours uh taking UFO serious talking about
how UFOs should be studied and what is necessary

1043
01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:13,960
this is removing a lot of stigma this will
prompt more scientists to not be afraid to

1044
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:18,730
be interested in this topic to to research
this topic and I think only good things can

1045
01:49:18,730 --> 01:49:23,710
arise from that when more people are taking
this topic seriously especially people with

1046
01:49:23,710 --> 01:49:29,670
expertise but also the general public is going
to be able to talk about this more freely

1047
01:49:29,670 --> 01:49:35,770
without any stigma attached to it at least
the stigma is slowly getting removed I think

1048
01:49:35,770 --> 01:49:42,210
that is a huge thing I never thought I would
see this happening but um I'm also I'm not

1049
01:49:42,210 --> 01:49:47,250
an expert on anything and I'm not going to
pretend to be one so I'm not gonna analyze

1050
01:49:47,250 --> 01:49:54,520
any analysis uh I all I can do is talk about
my own siding and and tell people about the

1051
01:49:54,520 --> 01:50:01,540
reality of it um but knowing about the reality
of it I also have a hard time imagining that

1052
01:50:01,540 --> 01:50:06,500
NASA hasn't known anything about the topic
before that it hasn't been taken the topic

1053
01:50:06,500 --> 01:50:13,220
as serious as they are now um it's hard for
me to imagine that but then again I don't

1054
01:50:13,220 --> 01:50:18,510
know that um and I'm not going to pretend
to know anything my guess is as good as yours

1055
01:50:18,510 --> 01:50:25,710
as to why this is happening now um I'm getting
confused a lot and I'm not going to pretend

1056
01:50:25,710 --> 01:50:29,790
that I'm not so I don't know where this is
heading but I think it's a good thing um stigma

1057
01:50:29,790 --> 01:50:36,409
is being removed and even here in Germany
they have discussed this meeting on the news

1058
01:50:36,409 --> 01:50:44,230
they have reported about the meeting and in
a serious tone in a serious manner which is

1059
01:50:44,230 --> 01:50:52,219
not very common here in Germany this topic
is associated with a lot of stigma and ridicule

1060
01:50:52,219 --> 01:51:00,400
and people immediately smart when you talk
about UFOs so this being taken serious um

1061
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:04,523
is is huge here so I'm very excited about
that what it all means I cannot tell you I

1062
01:51:04,523 --> 01:51:11,230
cannot tell you all I can tell you is UFOs
are real and um take my word for it I don't

1063
01:51:11,230 --> 01:51:16,690
uh I welcome every scientist every person
who wants to take this topic seriously um

1064
01:51:16,690 --> 01:51:23,630
to to do so and I hope that's what people
are doing and yeah let's see where this ride

1065
01:51:23,630 --> 01:51:30,699
will take us um buckle up I hope uh some form
of disclosure will be coming but whether or

1066
01:51:30,699 --> 01:51:36,730
not it will um I don't know but I know the
phenomena is real thank you for listening

1067
01:51:36,730 --> 01:51:39,349
to me

1068
01:51:39,349 --> 01:51:48,270
there we go guys how awesome was that thank
you to everyone who contributed their thoughts

1069
01:51:48,270 --> 01:51:55,520
and and insights on the NASA panel um I I'm
taking it as a win I I think it was great

1070
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:01,460
it was kind of their their first Endeavor
into this which I know a lot of people uh

1071
01:52:01,460 --> 01:52:07,950
don't necessarily believe um some people in
the chat even and look like none of us know

1072
01:52:07,950 --> 01:52:13,750
none of us truly know what NASA knows or doesn't
know about this topic it sounds like they're

1073
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:21,070
kind of going fresh slate whiteboard and um
and they're gonna try to attack this for and

1074
01:52:21,070 --> 01:52:27,360
I think it's awesome and I'm not gonna get
dismayed I'm not gonna cry conspiracy or cover-up

1075
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:33,440
I'm just gonna see where this ride takes us
it's yet another scientific Endeavor looking

1076
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:40,739
at UFOs and I think that's awesome I I honestly
do so that's gonna really do it for tonight

1077
01:52:40,739 --> 01:52:45,320
guys I'm gonna go back to your comments really
quick there were a couple I starred here that

1078
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:50,449
I wanted to make sure I got to Christian says
left Tech behind and that's why you don't

1079
01:52:50,449 --> 01:52:55,349
see many abductions or Grays or whatever anymore
is that BS Ryan do you think abductions have

1080
01:52:55,349 --> 01:53:01,790
slowed down they have Christian in terms of
reporting them um I made a comment someone

1081
01:53:01,790 --> 01:53:05,900
asked me that the other day how come we don't
hear about UFO and alien abductions as much

1082
01:53:05,900 --> 01:53:11,220
anymore and if you do believe that there's
a core reality to the abduction phenomenon

1083
01:53:11,220 --> 01:53:17,650
uh maybe they've got all they needed from
us and they've moved on or they've given up

1084
01:53:17,650 --> 01:53:23,760
on us I don't know I honestly don't know um
but it's a good question um I can't pretend

1085
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:29,810
to have an answer um it could have a lot to
do with um the cultural aspect of abductions

1086
01:53:29,810 --> 01:53:33,980
you know they were huge in the 80s and 90s
and you just don't really hear about them

1087
01:53:33,980 --> 01:53:40,840
anymore um is that by Design I I honestly
don't know um but but you know there are every

1088
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:48,410
now and again I get a report of abductions
that are taking place now 2022 2023. so I

1089
01:53:48,410 --> 01:53:55,270
don't think the phenomenon is entirely gone
and that really stretches the imagination

1090
01:53:55,270 --> 01:54:02,150
on what you I guess consider the abduction
phenomenon it can mean um many many different

1091
01:54:02,150 --> 01:54:07,210
things um so yeah yeah I hope that kind of
answers the question I don't know if it does

1092
01:54:07,210 --> 01:54:16,520
or not um but yeah paper tiger says what happens
first disclosure or a Mets championship yeah

1093
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:27,139
definitely disclosure um I am 100 confident
in that so yeah good question

1094
01:54:27,139 --> 01:54:34,190
someday they lost to the Toronto Blue Jays
again tonight so that's unfortunate um all

1095
01:54:34,190 --> 01:54:40,750
right guys um if you have any last questions
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1096
01:54:40,750 --> 01:54:45,940
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1097
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1098
01:54:53,170 --> 01:55:00,500
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1099
01:55:00,500 --> 01:55:06,840
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encounters hey you're gonna love this one

1100
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:14,389
guys um I came across some really interesting
stories here in the UK um that were part of

1101
01:55:14,389 --> 01:55:21,310
a UFO wave in the small town of Winchester
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1102
01:55:21,310 --> 01:55:26,750
before in Close Encounters that I don't think
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1103
01:55:26,750 --> 01:55:33,730
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1104
01:55:33,730 --> 01:55:39,960
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1105
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1121
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1122
01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:35,480
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1123
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1124
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1125
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1126
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you thank you for being here as always thank
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1127
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1128
01:58:03,110 --> 01:58:10,480
get going I got a big adventurous day tomorrow
James fox is in town I will leave it at that

1129
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:17,020
but I gotta get up very early um so I'm gonna
say goodnight to all of you and as always

1130
01:58:17,020 --> 01:58:22,730
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on the ground but never stop searching somewhere

1131
01:58:22,730 --> 01:58:38,880
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1132
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1133
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thank you